So I'm reading this & remembering when I was little & my dad had just converted. He was keeping kosher & made salads to go with a meal. The meal was dairy. The problem: I insisted on having bacos with my salad. I wouldn't eat the whole meal otherwise. Dad protested. I promised that bacos weren't really meat... It was such a relieve to see the pavere symbol on the bacos package! We were both happy! He had some bacos too :-)

My SM would use bacos to flavor a lot of things. Also, I realize the post about giving up butter in some instances was a couple of months ago, but my SM also used chicken fat like my mom used bacon fat. It depends on your school of thought. When it comes to 'not bathing a baby in its mother's milk' many ppl, including Rebi Kawaler (local rabbi of the conservative synagogue), agree that there is healthy debate & that we should search our own hearts as well as the words of the 'RABBIs' for our own answer.

As fowl & fish are not mammals & do not produce milk, they may be pavere & could be eaten with dairy. The best place to get Kosher food here is Kroger & I'd still like to see it be more available. We have a substanial reform synagogue here & a struggling conservative one. If the reformers could adhere to Kashrut, maybe we could get more of a selection in (tongue-in-cheek). I've been teaching my roommate some dishes, though we don't keep kosher. She now has love for Manischewitz (did I spell that right?)....now I just need to get her to have some cold red kosher wine after every dinner :-) It'll feel like home! lol...

Dear April, Was that a typo in your post?  "As fowl & fish are not mammals & do not produce milk, they may be pareve & could be eaten with dairy."  That's certainly true about the fish, but Kosher meat includes fowl as well as beef, lamb, goat, buffalo (that have been properly ritually slaughtered & bled/salted)  -- that's the extent of the Kosher meat I can think of.  Chickens & ducks & Cornish hens CANNOT be eaten at a dairy meal.  I'm sure that you knew this, & that it ws just a typo! 

Chag Chanukah Sameach/Have a joyous Chanukah!  Yours in Him, Deb

As stated within my post, that is a school of thought among some. I did emphasize that the local Rabbi's advice on the matter.

There are people who keep Kashrut -- within the Jewish community -- who will contest that since chicken (and other fowl) is not a mammal & does not produce milk, it should not be included with beef, lamb, etc, in not being mixed with dairy.

I did not wish to start a debate about it as I do not personally keep Kashrut, but I do know that there are ppl that feel this way, including my former step mom (SM) who follows the conservative movement. And I do think that the thought is worthy of the time given it, even if its not accepted as fact in the end.

Dear April, OK, it wasn't a typo.  I respect the individual religious beliefs of all persons.  I just didn't want you to be confused as to what is traditional Jewish law.  Yours in Him, Deb

yeah, I understand. I also used the words "may" and "could" on purpose, so as to convey that these are not complete facts, but a debated topic. I did have a typo in the organization. I should have put that sentence with the prior paragraph.

Sometimes we aren't accustomed to ppl paying attention to syntax and careful word choice in forums. While I can't help but use a lil short hand here and there, at times I am very careful of word choice & placement. It's important.

Yes, April, even with emoticoms, it's often difficult to apply appropriate nuances to a post,in a manner that the recipient can understand.

No problems.

Yours in Him, Deb

Dear April, I just came home from a Kosher Chanukah party where they served chicken.  The meal was meager, so I wanted to eat something from my dairy kitchen.  I eat meat so seldom (just at the 2 Jewish Family & Childrens Services client parties -- 1 for Chanukah & 1 for Pesach/Passover).  I needed to know what the waiting time is -- I thought it was 6 hours but wasn't sure.  So I cracked open my HOW TO KEEP KOSHER:  A COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO UNDERSTANDING JEWISH DIETARY LAWS (Lise Stern).  Yes, it is 6 hours.  But, leafing through adjacent pages, I learned, just as you said, that SOME Rabbis say that fowl is pareve, just as you said.  You could knock me over with a hen's feather.  I assure you that no Torah-true Orthodox Jew would agree with those Rabbis, BUT, your Rabbi indeed did tell you an acceptaple point of view.  Anyhow, I wanted to clear the record between us.  Chag Chanukah Sameach!  Have a joyous Chankah festival!  Yours in Him, Deb

lol.... Well I agree with you that at Orthodox Jew wouldn't agree with it, but I would contest that believing that would make someone not Torah-true. I guess that's the debate, isn't it? Whether or not it's acceptable by the Torah.

Oh well, I hope you found something to eat!

Oops!

Happy Chanukah to you!

Dear April, I took a plastic fork from my stash that I use at Pesach/Passover, & stabbed 3 pieces of pickled herrring, (definitely pareve/neutral) & ate them directly out of the jar.  I awoke @ 1:30AM, ravenous, & had potato kugel & applesauce. 

I use "Torah-true" to mean "frum" or even "haredi," which definitely refers only to -- for example -- women who only wear wigs or otherwise completely cover their heads, men who wear side curls ("peyeses") & never cut their beards except in a ritual manner, couples who follow the family purity laws (living essentially apart until the woman is fertile again), etc, etc. 

Chag Chanukah Sameach/happy Chanukah festival! Yours in Him, Deb