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The rest of the story--from To live simple post

Last post 06-26-2008 8:11 AM by rolo. 15 replies.
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  • 05-26-2008 7:27 PM

    • rolo
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    The rest of the story--from To live simple post

    The short version:  7 months of unemployment and my pt income = foreclosure and Ch 7 = starting over with some debt, keen insight, fear, and our faith.

    We started over with much of our debt discharged and a new job for dh.  Our budget was purposely structutred to include giving, saving, and very frugal living.  We have aggressively paid off the '01 truck 12 months ahead of time, and are now working on the student loan debt while concurrently saving for some one time expenses and sinking funds ongoing as well.   

    The long verison--which I think I may have posted here quite a while ago but then deleted it after just a few hours or so. 

    Spring 2007
     
    Lessons learned the past 5 years. 

     

     Our older daughter was in a violent marriage but got out and is doing okay; not 100%, but progressing.    

     

     Our dear friend died after a sudden illness.  The world became less welcoming after his passing. We continue to miss his smile and his love.

     

     Our son lost his job and was unemployed for 6 months. It was frightening for him, and us, to realize there are no jobs readily available paying a livable wage or offering benefits in the sate of Michigan.

     

     Our teen daughter was in a horrible car accident. She shares this: airborne she wraps her arms around the steering wheel in a desperate effort to stay inside a car that catapults end over end in a seemingly endless tumble. Two fleeting thoughts:  “well, f#ck, I really should wear a seat belt” and she notices her purse, with cigarettes inside, flying out the window into the darkness; hopes she can find her cigarettes in the snow—she’s going to really need a smoke after this.

     

     We have struggled, along with her, as she fights her own out of control downward spiral into another world of chaos and darkness. We faced the most serious crisis of her four year struggle this past school year with no medical insurance or money.  There is no more desperate feeling as a parent than to have a child suffering with a major illness and to face great difficulty in accessing quality care when there is no insurance and no money. 

     

     After four years of fighting her own personal demons, and four years of numerous medication changes, the counselor and doctor have finally found the right combination that has given her a life back; given us our daughter back. 

     

     She has to learn to crawl before running, they said.  And learn she has...she is moving forward; living and learning; awareness that she will always be just one choice away from the darkness once again has made her strong and determined to continue the fight.

     

     My two young cousins were shot and killed this spring. Bad choices with the wrong people and it was all over in an instant with a bullet to the head.  

     

     My dear step sister is diagnosed with a rare form of lung cancer.

     

     And in the midst of it all, my husband's job loss. 

     

     We have learned that what is important is people.  We have each other, the three kids, our grandson, family and friends. 

     

     That is all that matters. 

     

     People have said to us that it would "kill them" to give up their houses.

     

     They say they could never live on $1500 monthly.

     

     They say they could never drive around in an old beat up car. 

     

     They tell us that is why we should have never given up the credit cards--if we had credit cards we could make it go around through cash advances and buying on credit. 

     

    We have learned not to take advice from “broke” people.  Living the “American Dream” has gotten many of us into this very situation.  Dave Ramsey is very correct in his financial teachings that cash is king.  And if you don’t have savings you are inviting Murphy, along with his brothers Stupid and Broke into your life—which is what happened to us. 

     

     We don’t have a problem being stupid and broke since we know how to fix it. Been there, done that, lost it all.  We truly are deceiving ourselves to believe we are in control of anything.

     

    So, we have lost the house. It's just a building that cost us $225,000--and our financial security.  

     

     So, we are through the bankruptcy.  What will be, will be.  Catastrophic medical expenses, job outsourcing, and no savings—hey, it’s the American Dream and a way of life for most of us.

     

    Yes, we had a five figure severance payout.  It was used to save our daughter from her own personal demons.  GOOD healthcare in America is not cheap and what the state offered to pay for is not an option to even be considered.

     

     Let us tell you our story and our mistakes so you can learn from them. This is not an isolated incident.  We believe many people are on the edge of financial disaster. They face the day with grim desperation and never ask for help.  They toss and turn and another night is spent sleepless only to start the next day with no solution.  If you ask us, we will be honest you.  Don’t be sad for us; rather be glad we have realized what is important and how to rebuild.  Listen to us please.  We know how quickly life can be turned upside down and don’t want to see our loved ones experience what we have.  Take off your blinders; you are at the brink of the cliff, ready to fall and you can’t see it.

     

     We have embraced the philosophy that there is no such thing as failure.  When the door slams firmly shut in your face you will hear another sound if you take time to listen carefully and don’t panic—you will hear the sound of God quietly opening another door for you.

     

     "Be it ever so humble there is no place like home" is true.  Our home is something we carry with us in our hearts--a home is about the love and memories you make with your family and friends wherever you live.  A house is a building and address.  There is a difference that many can’t understand until they are faced with the loss of it all. 

     

    As for living in poverty in America--you do what you have to do. It's that simple. You learn very quickly to differentiate between a need and a want.  People are very confused about that also.

     

     I don't know how people get through life without believing in God. 

     

     We have plenty of days where we are just overwhelmed and beaten down and God is the only rock solid unchanging thing we have to lean on.  He carries us through the dark days and sleepless nights.  We could cry every day and night if we let ourselves.  What is the point?  We still have to carry on with our daily responsibilities with the hope, always the hope, that it will be okay. 

     

     Prayer and a good sense of humor are important too. You have to see the humor in the many overwhelming everyday circumstances that would cause others to sink further into despair.  You can weep or laugh, or choose both but laughter is best.

     

     When your financial ship is sitting firmly on the bottom of the deep ocean, with no hope of rising-- there is a choice.  You can stay down there wallowing in the muck with the bottom feeders or you can look up and swim like crazy for the surface.  Even if you are down so deep you can’t see the glimmer of the Light you have to believe it is there.

     

     We also made a conscious decision not to ask: “Why?”  The asking and wondering can consume you.  And would the answer have mattered?   It happened.  So be it.  Learn, forgive, move forward.  What other choice can one really make?

     

    We have a feeling that moving forward, no matter how difficult, has got to be better than maintaining the facade that it’s all “okay”.  People seem shocked that this financial disaster has befallen us; uncomfortable when we tell them about it.  Is it better to pretend?  Why do they ask if they don’t want honesty?

     

     The biggest plus of years of good income and a high FICO is that you end up with a lot of good stuff to sell to see you through. 
     

     How much stuff do you really need anyway?  It is a freeing experience to realize how very little you actually need to live and be happy.

     

    You find out who your true friends are when you are going through the truly tough times in your life.  And they are usually the ones you don't realize are your friends. 

     

    They unexpectedly offer to let you use a vehicle--no strings attached--until you have a replacement vehicle--and then offer to help with the repairs when needed. They put bags of groceries in your car while you are at church. They offer to buy propane for you when it is needed.  They pray for you every single day. 

     

     We have determined what is needed in our life: God, family, and friends. 

     

     Everything else is a bonus. 

     

    Jeremiah 29:11-13   For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

     

    Matthew 6:25-34   "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?  "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

     

    There is a plan that leads to freedom and gives hope to the hopeless. Please visit www.daveramsy.com and take to heart what you read and learn there.  There is a different way.

     

    January 2008

     Dh is gainfully employed at MSU and loves his job. 

     

    Teen dd is healthy and strong.  

     

    Adult ds is working full time and self supporting.

     

     Adult dd is a strong woman who has learned.

     

     Lorrie still has to tell herself daily that it will be okay. 

    rolo4evr

    Matthew 6:25-34 Do Not Worry

    25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
  • 05-26-2008 7:36 PM In reply to

    • rolo
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    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

     You know, it is a mindset that you must focus and stay intense.  Being able to recall how specific moments felt emotionaly and physically have not lessened after all this time and I hope it never does.  We never, never, want to be in the position of job loss with no savings and critical illness ever again. 

    rolo4evr

    Matthew 6:25-34 Do Not Worry

    25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
  • 05-27-2008 1:25 PM In reply to

    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

    wow.

    I promise never, ever to whine about my life again. You are amazing Rolo, to still be so positive after all that past year or so. Many others would be angry at God, or the government, or whomever. Good for you folks for perservering and then sharing your insights with all of us, now that you are on the other side of things.

    I am going to have my teen son read this. Partially for the " wear your seat belt always!" story but mostly for the financial responsibility advice. He sat throught Financial University with us but this makes it all real.

    Thanks Rolo!

    go spartans!Big Smile

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 05-27-2008 1:36 PM In reply to

    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

    I thought the same thing...  wow...   I am so moved by your strength, faith and perseverance.  My best wishes to you and your family.

  • 05-27-2008 2:11 PM In reply to

    • rolo
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    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

    The praise goes to God and God only.

    When you find yourself at that pivotal "crossroads"--do I take the path that leads to abject despair and grief or do I take the path of great obstacles with the HOPE it could be better--the answer becomes clear.  We HAD to be strong for our teen dd's sake.  There was no other choice.   

    rolo4evr

    Matthew 6:25-34 Do Not Worry

    25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
  • 05-27-2008 5:01 PM In reply to

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    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

    Wow, you and your family have been though a lot in the few years. I admire your faith and strength.  I do understand being strong for the kids.    I am glad that everyone is on the mend.

  • 05-27-2008 5:37 PM In reply to

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    Dear Rolo, Thank you for havingf shared your story.  I could not agree with you moer that faith in the L-rd is everything.  I had thought that I was the only Forumite who had committed bankruptcy (mine was in 2001 due to the costs of medications -- before I got on Medicaid/Medi-Cal.  Just to show how much my drugs cost:  from 1/1 through 4/30/08, they cost $15,972.90 [as shown on the Explanation of Benefits that I received today].)  I am so glad to find that I was/am not alone.  Family is almsot everything; only G-d is more.

    Yours in Him, Deb

    Enter His gates with thanksgiving, His courts with praise; give thanks to Him, bless His Name. (Psalm 100)

    Yours in thrift, Deb


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  • 05-27-2008 6:11 PM In reply to

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    All I can say is WOW!

  • 05-27-2008 9:14 PM In reply to

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    Re: The rest of the story--from To live simple post

     Deborahmichelle, I think sure there are some bankruptcy/foreclosures here that are not shared, and that is okay.  Don't be ashamed, and don't ever feel like you are the only one.  

     

    rolo4evr

    Matthew 6:25-34 Do Not Worry

    25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?
  • 05-28-2008 3:35 PM In reply to

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    Thank you so much, my sweet Rolo!  Yours in Him, Deb

    Enter His gates with thanksgiving, His courts with praise; give thanks to Him, bless His Name. (Psalm 100)

    Yours in thrift, Deb


    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Kosher Recipes
    See also my Food Stamps Living sub-Forum, both in Frugal Food & Cooking.

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