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Beware of Chinese Electronics Store on Ebay

Last post 07-15-2008 12:30 PM by Pat. 24 replies.
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  • 07-14-2008 1:21 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beware of Chinese Electronics Store on Ebay

    Deborahmichelle:

    Meanwhile, Pat, without any need for cloning, by mapping the genome, it allows women to selectively abort children -- so that their surviving offspring will presumably be very smart & not susceptible t o any particular disease(s) that the woman dreads.  Thta's bad enough, in my book.  Of course, cloning IS worse ....  Yours in Him, Deb

     

    I agree. Our ability has far outstripped our sensibility. Science has no respect for morals or even common sense.  

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  • 07-14-2008 8:22 PM In reply to

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    Pat:
    Then how about what I think is the ultimate (hidden) reason: They want to be able to recreate (or sustain by recreation) certain chosen families or people as a future "ruling class."

    Well, so much for us all working together to make society better.  Their idea is to just breed them better.  Wow.  Science is off and running . . . straight for the deep end.

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  • 07-15-2008 7:49 AM In reply to

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    Re: Beware of Chinese Electronics Store on Ebay

     Some believe that AntiChrist is a spirit. Remember Jesus said that even then AntiChrist was in the world. It is a spirit that is against G'd. I believe that evil spirit has been in many men and govenments from Noah time and is still at work in the world. Hitler being a good example of a man controlled by evil....my take on this. Babs

  • 07-15-2008 9:21 AM In reply to

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    Most of the reports I have read is that the push is to clone just organs, not full humans.  In this case humans aren't cloned to have organs harvested, they just grow the organs themselves in sterile chambers--infact they are already doing this and experimenting with transplants on volunteers so far down on the transplant list they will die anyway before a "living" organ becomes available. Mothers now have the option of saving the stem cells from the afterbirth for their children in a facility (we plan to do this).  If that child ever needs say, a kidney transplant, those saved stem cells can be used to grow a kidney that has a much lower chance of rejection after transplant because it comes from that person's own cells.  They can revert other adult cells back to stem cells, but they have a finite life and will die out over time, whereas stem cells from afterbirth is infinite in its reproduction.  They're even in the last stages of a project where they can print (yes, like a paper printer, same concept) cells in 3D and actually print a living organ that's ready for transplant. That is awesome!  Soon there won't be a need for organ donors, or people dying of heart failure for lack of a transplant.

     I think there's a lot of misconception around about cloning.  There's a lot more to it than cloning full humans. We're decades away from that. And even then there are a lot of moral issues here, the same as there would be with AI, that don't even touch on a religious aspect.  For instance, if you're creating clones are they human with all the rights of humans? Or are they inferior, used as slave labor to serve a purpose? If they can think for themselves and have a free will, is this using a tool or is it slavery?

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  • 07-15-2008 12:30 PM In reply to

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    Re: Beware of Chinese Electronics Store on Ebay

    arianasilver:
    And even then there are a lot of moral issues here, the same as there would be with AI, that don't even touch on a religious aspect.  For instance, if you're creating clones are they human with all the rights of humans? Or are they inferior, used as slave labor to serve a purpose? If they can think for themselves and have a free will, is this using a tool or is it slavery?
     

    Yes, there are a lot of unanswered questions and not a few moral dilemmas. Just another example of science outstripping morals. One thing we need to keep in mind is that we do not know all of what they are doing. What we see today was accomplished several years ago, so what they're doing now is beyond our knowledge.

     

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