Return to
The Dollar Stretcher
Homepage
Visit TDS Community
Welcome Center
1st Time Visitors
Contact Us
 
RSS
Subscribe to The Dollar Stretcher ezine
Welcome to Dollar Stretcher Community Sign in | Join | Help
in Search

Can you afford to have animals?

Last post 07-07-2008 12:06 PM by Cinnamonhuskies. 28 replies.
Page 2 of 3 (29 items) < Previous 1 2 3 Next >
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  • 05-30-2008 4:57 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    Cinnamonhuskies:
    If I had more pasture and less woods they could graze more.

    Michelle Cinnamonhuskies,

    This may be overly simplistic, but hopefully we all learn to be simple in our frugal endeavors.  Do you have any neighbors who are elderly who would appreciate not having to mow any lawn, but let the goats graze?  Just a thought.  :-)

    Do you also happen to make soap?  I have been reading so much my head hurts and can't remember who does what!  Surely there is a market for it if supply would outweigh your family's use.

    As others have suggested, there is self-sufficiency factor, and lots of people on working farms may be in the same boat, which may lead to a meat shortage in the future.  Just musing about that can be frightening.  (Thinking to myself that meat is something I need to add to my stash.)

     

    Lynnea the Dogmom
    Filed under:
  • 05-31-2008 3:25 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    I've been tempted to walk them down the road on a leash and let them eat the grass that grows along side the road LOL. Or take the scythe (sp?) that we have and just go cut it down before the county mower comes along. I don't think the neighbors would appreciate the nanny-berries that they'd leave behind as fertilizer....

    Actually goat milk soap is in abundance at different stores around here. Homemade soap is plentiful but so far I'm the only cheese source, and that has to be by word-of-mouth because of USDA regulations.

    You are very right in musing what will happen when the farmers can't afford to grow anything, including meat. We will all be forced into cities because of economics and expensive groceries will be shipped in from another country. It's a vicious cycle our country has gotten into.

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 06-10-2008 11:39 AM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    I sold 3 goat kids for $170 today; made another $16 in eggs&cheese, will make another $31 on Thursday for eggs&cheese. Total this week $217 income.

    I bought 500 lbs of chicken feed and 650 lbs of goat feed (I ordered 1000 lbs but the mill ran out of concentrate to mix) for an expense of $249. The feed should last 2, maybe 3 months, longer if I sell the remaining 3 goat kids to an interested party.

    Hopefully I can get the next 6 months feed bill paid for between animals sold and animal products sold. That would be sweet.

    $217 income/$249 expense though is as close as I've come in the past few years to the animals paying for themselves.

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 06-19-2008 7:55 AM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    And, Michelle CinnamonHuskies, It's my impression that the IRS has some kind of rule about "hobby losses."  I don't know the rule, except that if you don't make a profit in X years, you're not allowed to deduct your expenses.  A vast governmental conspiracy to keep productive, good people harassed!  Yours in Him, Deb

    Enter His gates with thanksgiving, His courts with praise; give thanks to Him, bless His Name. (Psalm 100)

    Yours in thrift, Deb


    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Kosher Recipes
    See also my Food Stamps Living sub-Forum, both in Frugal Food & Cooking.

  • 06-19-2008 12:35 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    If your goats came with a portable pen, I'd probably actually pay you to let your goats come eat on our property.  We have brush and junk we want to clear out to make more pasture for our horse.  We aren't keen on doing this ourselves, of course, and we'd have to rent a field and brush mower to do it.  I asked my husband about us buying a goat and putting it in with the horse and letting it eat what she doesn't (we have a weed problem as well), but upon further research, we cannot expect to keep a goat contained with merely a three-strand electric rope fence.  And we sure can't afford the wire mesh fencing around our partures.  (And husband didn't like the idea of keeping it permanently chained to various trees.)  So, if someone with goats had some sort of pen that would contain them, I'd love to have them set it up in various parts of our woods and pasture and let the goats get to mowing--provided they are the same or cheaper than a field and brush mower.

    You don't live in middle TN, do you?  LOL.  But, seriously, if you think that would be something that would work, you might advertise your services on Craigslist. 

  • 06-19-2008 12:36 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    Deb,

    You are correct...TurboTax gives me a warning every year.I've changed businesses and addresses and avoided that problem. I'm just waiting for someone to say no.

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 06-19-2008 12:42 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    Keriamom,

    You can't keep a goat in with a welded wire fence either. they'll stand and jump on it and it'll be destroyed the first year. (That was the first year we had goats LOL)

    You CAN keep them in a 2 or 3 string electric fence! It has to be HOT and they have to be TRAINED on it first. We have a "BullDozer" electric fencer and boy we've all accidentally touched t and been knocked on our butt. I've never had a goat escape that, except once one doe and her kids got out when the power was off for 6 hours. The rest of the goats were too scared to test it.

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 06-19-2008 12:47 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    sold the rest of the goat kids today and $50 in cheese so I should have goat grain covered for an additional 3 months making a 6 month supply. Chicken feed will be increasing soon with the arrival of 50 broilers and 25 surplus chicks next week. 22% feed is going for about $16-$17 a 50lb bag.

    Michelle in Northern Michigan
    Officially Recognized Stretchpert in Self-Sufficient Living

    Michigan...Number 1 in Unemployment! (might as well be number 1 in something...)

  • 06-20-2008 2:12 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    Does your electric fence pulse frequently?  We have a solar charger in the back and it doesn't seem to pulse quite as frequently as the one in the front.  Also, how far up from the ground is your bottom strand, and how far apart are the other strands?  My husband swears up and down he saw a deer jump BETWEEN the strands in the front yard.  Our T-posts are approximtely 5 feet tall, with three strands of hot wire placed fairly evenly apart.  The back has a similar arrangement, but the posts are four and a half feet high with two strands hot and the bottom strand is not hot (because we still have low-growing junk around the fence line.  So I'm thinking if a deer can go through the fence, a goat could too, unless we alternate hot and not hot rope and put the strands closer together? 

  • 06-21-2008 2:09 PM In reply to

    Re: Can you afford to have animals?

    Since I want to raise chickens and a couple of pigs for our family, if we ever sell this house and get some acreage, your question interests me. I never intend to buy feed, myself. I figure if Chinese country peasants can raise chickens without buying expensive feed somewhere, why can't I? For that matter, what have people done for hundreds of years before commercially prepared livestock feeds were invented? It must be possible. I've been warned by others (most of whom haven't done it) that raising livestock is too expensive to make it economical. But the relative who has a small family homestead, said it was easy and economical. Then again, I doubt they buy feed at all, because they have acreage to grow their own.

    Someone somewhere told me that one things is, hens need a lot of calcium, but in addition to eating insects and greens such as lovage (or other greens, I forget) that grow as cover crops for your vegetables, you can save egg shells, and if you bake them in the oven at a certain temperature for a certain amount of time, the scent changes, so you can crush them and add to what you feed your hens, and they get their calcium without learning to peck their own eggs, which is the hazard of feeding them eggshells otherwise. So,, there are ways to feed animals cheaply, if you can grow your own corn, or have grass pasture enough for grazing animals. I wouldn't be raising anything past chickens and a couple of pigs on two acres. Pigs and chickens don't require pasture, and feeding corn or grain to animalslike ruminants that are meant to graze on grass wreaks havoc on their digestive and immune systems, which then causes a host of illnesses and need for antibiotics and veterinary care. Therefore, I wouldn't raise ruminants except on pasture, and with adequate pasture, commercial feed is a nonissue, unless you plan to overwinter the animals. Also for housing them, here in Maine I know people who don't heat chicken houses; they just build them for the climate, and choose breeds of poultry that are very cold-hardy.

    Even though chances are you don't live in Maine, MOFGA (Maine Organic Farmers and Growers Association) has great info on these topics, and how people raise their own food without having it be expensive. Organic gardening can also be expensive, if you buy all your compost from the garden store, in little bags. But not if you make your own compost. I think the same idea applies to livestock.

    If I get the couple of acres, I want a small cornfield interplanted with pumkins and beans (the "Three Sisters" of Native American tradition) and would feed my chickens and pigs some from that, as well as food scraps for the pigs, and greens and insects for the chickens. All speculation right now of course, but maybe helpful ideas? Any seeds from things you grow, that you don't eat, or at least don't eat all of, you can feed poultry and pigs also. Pumpkin and winter squash seeds are really nutritious, and the pigs can even eat the rinds.

Page 2 of 3 (29 items) < Previous 1 2 3 Next >
Economic Turmoil Causing Credit Card Changes
What effect does the economy have on yourcredit cards?
--
Please check the Dollar Stretcher Community group for guidelines and help files, or to ask for help with the forum.
Powered by Community Server (Commercial Edition), by Telligent Systems