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  • 11-29-2007 3:26 PM

    "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    Whenever you read this phrase in a consumer finance article, you can guess what follows, can't you...?

    Some form of disaster!

    "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

       Layoff or Illness or Divorce, and these days Sub-prime ARM home equity loan resets,

    resulted in some family losing their home.

    You never read...

    "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    they burned their paid-off mortgage and spread the ashes far and wide to eliminate any possibility of it re-animating.

    This is because you've been brainwashed to believe,

    "Faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    is a virtue...

    In reality, it's a trap!

    There's no virtue in faithfully exposing your family to these risks for decades. On the contrary, to an ubiased observer fresh from another planet -- i.e., one with no financial interest in your being in debt for decades -- it's downright reckless...

    Given enough time, something bad will happen!

    Which is why I say we don't have the luxury of casually strolling our way to debt-freedom. There are hungry bears in the woods, and hungry bears don't stroll.

    What detours have befallen you on your journey to debt-freedom and how did you recover from them? 

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  • 11-29-2007 3:57 PM In reply to

    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

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  • 11-29-2007 4:33 PM In reply to

    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    We have always made the mortgage and minimums, but got very low on money when we had a sad pregnancy and loss of a little boy after a few months of back and forth to the ER and hospital, bed rest, shutting my home daycare, etc.  Then the expense of burial and headstone.   I think that the medical is what surprises a lot of people, how easy to get something that is totally unexpected expenses, sickness or a death, and the resulting changes in income and money out.  I was also shocked when a friend's husband died and she was trying to figure out how to pay for the funeral, and how long the insurance check took to come in the mail for his life insurance.  They had a 5 year old daughter at the time, she is 12 now. 

    Dh has been laid off and lost his job three times, I have twice. These are easier, there is unemployment and we both work really hard at finding enough income to meet expenses.  And this is the only stressor, not the total breakdown of the family systems that happens with illness or loss. 

     

    Tracy
    Beginning Debt Slayer


  • 11-29-2007 4:53 PM In reply to

    • Edey
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    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    How about a train wreck called a lawsuit over a fence installed on the border of our property 30 years before we bought the place. The neighbors behind us sued us, claiming that we had put it up when they knew darn well we hadn't.  We eventually won suit, but the attorney fees forced us to re-finance our house to pay for his services. If we hadn't contested it we would have lost big time thru forfeiture. In the end the neighbors said they couldn't sell the house because of the fence line, when in reality they couldn't sell it because of the industrial building the city allowed to be built across from the house. They wouldn't or couldn't sue the city or the building's owner so as a last resort they concocted a story to file a frivolous lawsuit. Financially we all lost on that one, except for the attorneys. E  

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  • 11-29-2007 4:55 PM In reply to

    • Pat
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    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    lamuneca0325:

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  • 11-29-2007 8:12 PM In reply to

    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    I work with someone who lost a child very quickly. He was diagnosed with a terminal illness right before his 3th birthday and died just before his 4th birthday. The mom had to quit work. The dad provided all the support for their family and could not keep up with all the expenses. They lost their home, their vehicles, used all of their savings and still are swimming in debt. A short hospital stay was over $50,000.00. And those stays happened frequently.

  • 11-30-2007 8:35 AM In reply to

    • Brandy
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    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    Greg Moore:
    What detours have befallen you on your journey to debt-freedom and how did you recover from them? 
     

    Greg,

    I have been married for seventeen years. Job stability has never been something we have had for more than three years. Many jobs he has held only lasted six months to a year. He works until the work runs out or until he feels forced to make a change for some other reason. This has given him a varied set of work skills that he can rely on to quickly find more work but it leaves us with uncertainties in our finances.

    I can't say that this roller coaster has thrown us deep into debt but I can say that as soon as we see ourselves really getting ahead financially is about the time the company does a cut back or closes. So this means we are constantly taking two steps forward then two back.

    I would love to take four forward some day.

     

     

     

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  • 12-04-2007 11:33 AM In reply to

    • rolo
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    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    You may be sorry I finally read this post of yours.  LOL  

    Our story is of the American Dream, er...nightmare? and what happens when you live your entire life in the ranks of stupid and broke.  The storm came and we drowned.

    We paid our various mortgage payments on time for decades--didn't matter in the end.

    A reminder here: I reference the financial adviser that we listen to.  Greg Moore is a terrific financial adviser, with a good plan also and I mean NO DISRESPECT WHATSOEVER.  

    Also:  there is a censored word in here--I changed the letters to symbols but it is still apparent that it is the big one--don't take offense, please

    Spring 2007 

    Lessons learned the past 5 years.

     

    Our older daughter was in a violent marriage but got out and is doing okay; not 100%, but progressing.

     

    Our dear friend died after a sudden illness.  The world became less welcoming after his passing. We continue to miss his smile and his love.

     

    Our son lost his job and was unemployed for 6 months. It was frightening for him, and us, to realize there are no jobs readily available paying a livable wage or offering benefits in the sate of Michigan.

     

    Our teen daughter was in a horrible car accident. She shares this: airborne she wraps her arms around the steering wheel in a desperate effort to stay inside a car that catapults end over end in a seemingly endless tumble. Two fleeting thoughts:  “well, f#ck, I really should wear a seat belt” and she notices her purse, with cigarettes inside, flying out the window into the darkness; hopes she can find her cigarettes in the snow—she’s going to really need a smoke after this.

     

    We have struggled, along with her, as she fights her own out of control downward spiral into another world of chaos and darkness. We faced the most serious crisis of her four year struggle this past school year with no medical insurance or money.  There is no more desperate feeling as a parent than to have a child suffering with a major illness and to face great difficulty in accessing quality care when there is no insurance and no money. 

     

    Yes, we had a $68k severance payout.  It was used to save our daughter from her own personal demons.  Private quality health care in America is not cheap.

     

    After four years of fighting her own personal demons, and four years of numerous medication changes, the counselor and doctor have finally found the right combination that has given her a life back; given us our daughter back.

     

    She has to learn to crawl before running, they said.  And learn she has...she is moving forward; living and learning; awareness that she will always be just one choice away from the darkness once again has made her strong.

     

     My two young cousins were shot and killed this spring. Bad choices with the wrong people and it was all over in an instant with a bullet to the head. 

     

    And in the midst of it all, my husband's job loss.


     
    We have learned that what is important is people.  We have each other, the three kids, our grandson, family and friends.

     

    That is all that matters.

     

    People have said to us that it would "kill them" to give up their houses.

     

    They say they could never live on $1700 monthly. 

     

    They say they could never drive around in an old beat up car. 

     

    They tell us that is why we should have never given up the credit cards--if we had credit cards we could make it go around through cash advances and buying on credit.

     

    We have learned not to take advice from “broke” people.  Living the “American Dream” has gotten many of us into this very situation.  Dave Ramsey is very correct in his financial teachings that cash is king.  And if you don’t have savings you are inviting Murphy, along with his brothers Stupid and Broke into your life—which is what happened to us. 

     

    We don’t have a problem being stupid and broke since we know how to fix it.

     

    Living big, living the “American Dream”.  Been there, done that, lost it all. 

     

    We truly are deceiving ourselves to believe we are in control of anything.

     

    So, we have lost the house. It's just a building.

     

    So, we are through the bankruptcy.  What will be, will be.  

     

    Let us tell you our story and our mistakes so you can learn from them. This is not an isolated incident.  We believe many people are on the edge of financial disaster. They face the day with grim desperation and never ask for help.  They toss and turn and another night is spent sleepless only to start the next day with no solution.  If you ask us, we will be honest you.  Don’t be sad for us; rather be glad we have realized what is important and how to rebuild.  Listen to us please.  We know how quickly life can be turned upside down and don’t want to see our loved ones experience what we have. 

     

    We have embraced the philosophy that there is no such thing as failure.  When the door slams firmly shut in your face you will hear another sound if you take time to listen carefully and don’t panic—you will hear the sound of God quietly opening another door for you.

     

    "Be it ever so humble there is no place like home" is true.  Our home is something we carry with us in our hearts--a home is about the love and memories you make with your family and friends wherever you live.  A house is a building and address.  There is a difference. 

     

    As for living in poverty in America--you do what you have to do. It's that simple. You learn very quickly to differentiate between a need and a want.  Most people are very confused about that. 

     

    I don't know how people get through life without believing in God. 

     

    We have plenty of days where we are just overwhelmed and beaten down and God is the only rock solid unchanging thing we have to lean on.  He carries us through the dark days and sleepless nights.  We could cry every day and night if we let ourselves.  What is the point?  We still have to carry on with our daily responsibilities with the hope, always the hope, that it will be okay. 

     

    Prayer and a good sense of humor are important too. You have to see the humor in many everyday circumstances that others would find cause to feel sorry for themselves if in similar circumstances. 

     

    When your financial ship is sitting firmly on the bottom of the deep ocean, with no hope left-- there is a choice.  You can stay down there wallowing in the muck with the bottom feeders or you can look up and swim like crazy for the surface. 

     

    Even if you are down so deep you can’t see the glimmer of the Light you have to believe it is there.

     

    We also made a conscious decision not to ask: “Why?”  The asking and wondering can consume you.  And would the answer have mattered?   It happened.  So be it.

     

    We have a feeling that moving forward, no matter how difficult, has got to be better than maintaining the facade that it’s all “okay”.  People seem shocked that this financial disaster has befallen us; uncomfortable when we tell them about it.

     

    Is it better to pretend?  Why do they ask if they don’t want honesty?

     

    The ONLY plus of years of good income, a high FICO, and great access to credit, is that you end up with a lot of good stuff to sell to see you through.  

     

    How much stuff do you really need anyway?  It is a freeing experience to realize how very little you actually need to live and be happy.

     

    You find out who your true friends are when you are going through the truly tough times in your life. 

     

    And they are usually the ones you don't realize are your friends. 

     

    They unexpectedly offer to let you use a vehicle--no strings attached--until you have a replacement vehicle--and then offer to help with the repairs when needed.

     

    They put bags of groceries in your car while you are at church. 

     

    They offer to buy propane for you when it is needed. 

     

    They hold you while you cry.

     

    They pray for you every single day.  

     

    We have determined what is needed in our life: God, family, and friends. 

     

    Everything else is a bonus.

     

    Jeremiah 29:11-13   For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.

     

    Matthew 6:25-34   "Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?  "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

     

    Winter 2007

     

    Rod is gainfully employed at MSU and loves his job.  GO SPARTANS! 

     

     Audrey is healthy and happy.

     

    Lorrie has to tell herself daily that it will be okay.  The doubting Thomas lives in me, still.

     

    We have paid off our vehicle: $2318.53 since  Sept. 1, 2007--made the last payment on Friday.

     

    We are saving the minimum of $18k ASAP. Dh's work contract expires on July 31, 2010.  The storm is looming and this time we WILL be prepared.  

    rolo4evr

    Matthew 6:25-34

    Do not worry...

  • 12-04-2007 11:56 AM In reply to

    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

     I agree with you on so many points... and I will keep your family in my prayers that the doubting will decrease and the faith increase.

    1 Samuel 12:24
    But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you.

    I'm not confused. I'm just well mixed. ~Robert Frost

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  • 12-04-2007 3:13 PM In reply to

    Re: "After faithfully making mortgage payments for decades..."

    Rolo,  Thank you!

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