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The First Step into Debt

Last post 09-18-2007 12:21 AM by latenightleader. 9 replies.
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  • 09-15-2007 11:51 AM

    • Brandy
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    The First Step into Debt

    What was your first step to debt and why did you take it?

     

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  • 09-15-2007 12:36 PM In reply to

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    Re: The First Step into Debt

     Going into debt was more like falling into it instead of deliberately stepping into it! But everyone needs a car, right? That's probably the first step for many as it was for me. That's all I owed on, though, until I married and he was in debt, so it came with the package.

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  • 09-15-2007 1:33 PM In reply to

    Re: The First Step into Debt

    My first step into debt was back when I was 18. My first credit card. A dangerous tool in the hands of a shop-a-holic. It had a low balance but I would pay just the minimum to be able to charge on it again. "Emergencies" became "it's on sale." I carried myself this way even when starting out while living with my parents (rent free). School loans were piled on top of that along with a beat up car with payments. I have been through 2 debt managements (paid off with settlements/inheritance) and no longer carry the plastic (except the debit card). Both times on management was about $10,000 in credit card debt. I now live the philosophy of no cash - don't need.

    (Right now in amounting debt; living on student loans while "renting" from my parents. By the time I am done, I will owe the government over $20k in student loans and my parents over $40k). Sad 

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  • 09-15-2007 1:40 PM In reply to

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    Re: The First Step into Debt

     I had no debt when I married but my husband had financed his car and had a credit card. I then got two credit cards of my own. We got rid of the car and cut the cards years ago.

    Our recent path to debt began with the need for credit so we could rebuild our lives and obtain housing. It began with financing a truck and then a credit card for my husband.

     

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  • 09-15-2007 4:09 PM In reply to

    Re: The First Step into Debt

    My first step was a sm student loan. Paid off then credit cards and paid them off....then more credit cards but the house mortgage was the first major debt. Credit card debt now is more cost of living etc which we are working on.

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  • 09-16-2007 9:41 AM In reply to

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    I too first stepped into it via student loans at age 16. Many advisers classify a student loan as good debt since it has a potentially valuable payoff. It's true college grads on average earn more than high school grads. But, these days, a significant portion of this extra earning power is consumed by their graduation companion... a mountain of debt.

    The following table shows the percentage of students borrowing and average cumulative debt per borrower (excluding PLUS Loans i.e, Parent Loans) according to type of educational institution. 

      Undergraduate Education Debt
    Institution Level & Control Percent Borrowing Cumulative Debt
    Overall Total (4, 2 and < 2 year) 55.5% $15,766
    4-year Total 65.6% $19,202
       4-year Public 61.7% $17,277
       4-year Private Non-Profit 72.8% $21,957
       4-year Private For-Profit 87.3% $28,138
    2-year Total 37.4% $9,897
       2-year Public 33.2% $9,387
       2-year Private Non-Profit 69.1% $12,326
       2-year Private For-Profit 90.0% $12,107
    < 2-year Total 67.1% $7,271
       < 2-year Public 34.0% $7,243
       < 2-year Private Non-Profit 26.5% $4,854
       < 2-year Private For-Profit 77.3% $7,311

    Graduate and professional students borrow even more, with the additional debt for a graduate degree ranging from $27,000 to $114,000.

      Graduate Education Debt All Education Debt
    (Grad & Undergrad)
    Graduate & Professional Degree Programs Percent Borrowing Cumulative Debt Percent Borrowing Cumulative Debt
    Total 60.1% $37,067 70.1% $42,406
    Master's Degree 58.4% $26,895 69.3% $32,858
    Doctoral Degree 51.0% $49,007 58.3% $53,405
    Professional Degree 86.5% $82,688 88.4% $93,134
    MBA 53.0% $35,525 63.6% $41,687
    MSW 76.5% $27,136 81.0% $37,029
    PhD 40.0% $36,917 46.8% $41,540
    EdD 53.4% $49,050 65.7% $47,725
    Law (LLB or JD) 87.7% $70,933 89.7% $80,754
    Medicine 95.0% $113,661 95.0% $125,819

    I say, find another way, if at all possible. Working and going to school is hard, and it might extend graduation date by a year or two, but this kind of debt can last your whole life.

     

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  • 09-16-2007 10:18 AM In reply to

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    Re: The First Step into Debt

    Greg, I am hearing more people say they are struggling to pay their loans back. Apparently they rack up debt then get a job that doesn't quite cover adult living expenses and the debt pay off. Is this becoming wide spread?

     

     

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  • 09-16-2007 10:23 AM In reply to

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  • 09-16-2007 10:31 AM In reply to

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    Re: The First Step into Debt

    Thank you for sharing that..all I can say is wow.

    It sounds something like a gamble. Which is not to say college is bad but taking loans out hoping to make the money to pay them back is.

     

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  • 09-18-2007 12:21 AM In reply to

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    I went to an expensive school to get a degree in art therapy- and found my financial aid went down every year, dramatically for grad school- so I had lots of debt and a 5 month old baby girl when I graduated- I had her inexpensively with midwives in a freestanding birth center, but had to pay lots out of pocket for that-Blue Cross wouldn't preapprove it, although it was much cheaper than a hospital birth, and it was over the state line, since I was at school in another state, so I paid 55% of the birth,  they let me pay slowly-

    But in my career I was president of Iowa Art Therapy Association, had one of the highest paying jobs in the state, but topped out at just under $32,000 in 1994- then was laid off, moved, moved, had 6 more kids, and ultimately rolled my student loan debts into the house.   I worked in the field for several years, I guess I would recommend trying to get college cheaper- my oldest, the baby I had in grad school, is in her second year at a state school-

    I was talking to a friend of mine, we both thought we'd have more financial comfort by now, not be struggling and still have debts.  Neither of us feels that we have been out of line with money, and yet we are not where we thought we would be when we got good degrees and sought after jobs- we worked together in mental health units for several years.

    Other debt- with the job, a dependable car, then a house (good buy), daycare, etc, etc, etc.

    Unexpected debt- car repairs- who knew cars cost so much whenever there is a problem?  Medical costs, I thought health insurance covered most, didn't know about deductibles for everyone.  Gas, food, etc, whild unemployed, sick, during stressful times, etc.

     How much do people budget for the unexpected?  I know you should have 3 months saved, we have only a few hundred saved at any point- I try to budget $200 a month for unexpected.

    Tracy

     

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